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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.21 01:47:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:You are going in circles.
One says a solo player who pays for additional accounts has an advantage.
The other one says this advantage can be had without paying for additional accounts.
The first one refuses to stop being a solo player, I think that's the important point here.
Well .. how about that: I refuse to fly anything more isk expensive than a T1 frigate. Hey, why can't I do level 4 missions? That's so unfair!
Without taking sides, buying more than one account doesn't necessitate playing alone or in smaller groups. Any number of people with 2 accounts can theoretically do more than the same number with one each. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.07.21 01:59:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Serena Serene wrote:You are going in circles.
One says a solo player who pays for additional accounts has an advantage.
The other one says this advantage can be had without paying for additional accounts.
The first one refuses to stop being a solo player, I think that's the important point here.
Well .. how about that: I refuse to fly anything more isk expensive than a T1 frigate. Hey, why can't I do level 4 missions? That's so unfair! Without taking sides, buying more than one account doesn't necessitate playing alone or in smaller groups. Any number of people with 2 accounts can theoretically do more than the same number with one each. Well, arguing like that makes the existence of PLEX at all "pay to win", too..
I would fully expect that those who argue alts are P2W would agree with that statement as well. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:11:00 -
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EpicFailTroll wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:
I would fully expect that those who argue alts are P2W would agree with that statement as well.
Wrong, I for one don't mind PLEX at all. I do mind alts and the fact that it is an obligation to invest in them for the solo player, and the corps leaders. They are infinitely more P2W than all the faction modules or t4 hulls, titans or whatever ingame good you could acquire with them, since they are a non-micro requiring yet highly efficient form of metaplaying.
Dunno, effectively unlimited isk making gathering materials relatively trivial and isolated perfectly cooperative metagaming collectives seem pretty neck and neck. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mechael wrote:I am talking about being able to generate more ISK than the person who does not spend real money on PLEX is able to generate. GǪand as luck would have it, generating just as much ISK without spending real money on it is very much possible. It may take a bit more time (but not necessarily) if you do it in-game but that's the only difference, so all it is is player convenience: you're spending money (=work-yadda-yadda-time) to save on play time.
What about someone who is very capable and participated in both in game and plex earnings? Wouldn't they have an advantage over those who chose one or the other? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tippia wrote:Mechael wrote:I am talking about being able to generate more ISK than the person who does not spend real money on PLEX is able to generate. GǪand as luck would have it, generating just as much ISK without spending real money on it is very much possible. It may take a bit more time (but not necessarily) if you do it in-game but that's the only difference, so all it is is player convenience: you're spending money (=work-yadda-yadda-time) to save on play time. What about someone who is very capable and participated in both in game and plex earnings? Wouldn't they have an advantage over those who chose one or the other? Yep, just like the person who decides to use T3s will have an advantage over the guy choosing to only use a shuttle.
Hence the reason why greater isk generation is an advantage. Plex enhances isk generation potentially to close a gap between 2 players or, if the plex seller was ahead, further widen that gap. Granted you can get isk other ways, but you can get isk and sell plex as well still leaving you ahead of someone making isk the same way you are.
Was just trying to make a random comment though, not trying to get dragged into the debate. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:21:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:
Yes but it is a choice.
And it is possible to make the same isk in game in the same amount of time that a person would be working in RL to buy PLEX.
So unless you get to ridiculous extreme circumstances that are entirely moronic, it is possible to keep up with a person who uses RL money with only in game means.
Typically one wants to avoid that choice in a subscription based game as not everyone can make it equally. It creates the possibility that 2 otherwise equal individuals have a quantifiable difference created via out of game resources. A person making 5B a month who decides to drop a couple plex in Jita now made 6B that month and is closed to whatever they bought those plex to obtain while someone making the same using just ingame means is now 1B behind.
In the case of 2 unequal individuals it also alters the nature of time spent in game. Couple hours of shooting sleepers to make isk for PvP vs dropping a plex in Jita. Provided they play the same amount of time one spends 2 more hours out PvP'ing.
As to the issue of how long it takes out of game to generate the wealth to be able to take advantage of it, that's highly subjective as rates of accumulating wealth can have extreme variances from person to person. Then you have to somehow take into account personal obligations and priorities, because while one may have the extra money to contribute to making their play experience easier, why should they have to to be competitive?
Time to accumulate wealth is also largely irrelevant as all it represents is one of many possible ways one can spend their time out of game and as such should have no bearing in game.
I'm not saying it should be removed, just acknowledging that it does provide an advantage in game. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:38:00 -
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Wait, are we arguing that alts (and now plex apparently) are/aren't an advantage? Or that they are/aren't P2W? And for that matter how are we defining P2W? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:47:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Wait, are we arguing that alts (and now plex apparently) are/aren't an advantage? Or that they are/aren't P2W? And for that matter how are we defining P2W? TL;DR 1) yes/no/maybe 2) yes 3) both sides of the issue are using two different definitions of P2W, hence the circles...
I guess I just got disqualified as while I recognize the advantage of both I see neither as any sort of guarantee of victory. I'm willing to call it a day at that. |
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